That genus (Lucy and all) suffers from several inconsistancies to what would accepted as in the line of man. First, there are issues with the brain cavity being too small, the claim that they walked upright has been refuted by many paleoanthropologists, the skull of lucy in particular has been shown to be more chimpanzee like than human. Even the diggings themselves have issues. Also, several of the other fragments in the genus have been questioned as being from young apes whose features are more humanlike in their youth than when they are full grown. If you want links I invite you to use Google.

I can also use Google to find links telling me that all of the science is perfectly solid. If you want to back your case up, give your own damn links.

It still is not proof of anything and not positive transitional form.

Science admits no proof, only evidence. Clearly, whether you believe that Australopithecus is our ancestor or not, the notion that the transitional forms went extinct is not outrageous.

But we digress from the original topic don't we.

What fun is JoeUser if y'don't?

Also, voodoostation is my hero.

Voodoostation trolled but is the fun of JoeUser as well. His analogy lacks any sense, I think there were drugs involved.

As for links I can certainly provide them as I am sure you can (but have not). So I think my case is backed up as much as yours. However, I can assure you that no link you can provide will prove your argument.
The notion that the transitional forms went extinct IS as outrageous as believing in a god or subscribing to the idea that we are the spawn of aliens from outerspace. Haven't you seen the evidence that "Chariots of the Gods" provides?

This is a nice article! I can't imagine getting through a day without prayer.

However, I can assure you that no link you can provide will prove your argument.

Since I just said that science admits no proof...

The notion that the transitional forms went extinct IS as outrageous as believing in a god

Um...don't you believe in a God?

Um...don't you believe in a God?

But of course. My point is that just as you would consider a belief in god is outrageous I would counter that the notion that the transitional forms went extinct IS equally outrageous.

I guess you've never heard of the genus Australopithecus or the other species of our genus Homo, which have been found in fossil form, not in fantasy-fiction form. But, as usual, I'm sure the facts don't interest you.

Since I just said that science admits no proof...

So, all the fossils prove nothing which makes them not fact?

I would counter that the notion that the transitional forms went extinct IS equally outrageous.

Why is that, exactly? Where are the creatures whose skulls these are? Do you see them walking around? No? Hm, could it be because they're extinct? Are the dinosaurs still alive?

So, all the fossils prove nothing which makes them not fact?

Their existence is factual; what they imply can never be PROVEN because nothing in science can be PROVEN. When you learn how scientific theories work, then we can talk.

Why is that, exactly? Where are the creatures whose skulls these are? Do you see them walking around? No? Hm, could it be because they're extinct? Are the dinosaurs still alive?

You assume they are transitional forms to humans, that is your error.

Their existence is factual; what they imply can never be PROVEN because nothing in science can be PROVEN. When you learn how scientific theories work, then we can talk.

, I am very aware of how scientific theories work. You were simply dancing around with implying that the genus Australopithecus was a transitional form to man (a point that is questioned my many) as if that was proof of transitional forms that then proved or implied that evolution was true.
You should keep your ignorance about God to yourself and your Dawin-freak friends and find a forum you do agree with instead of trolling around the Religion forum like a street urchin trying to stir up trouble about something you know absolutely nothing about.

Are you two arguing about evolution again? Why don't you write your own forum and argue away?

I didn't start it, I promise...

To Voodoostation:
No there wasn't any nerve struck here bub. I like JeremyG just as well as anyone else but JeremyG and I have other issues that you wouldn't know about. JeremyG's thinking is way out in left field in my opinion but I don't mind his comments. I just don't value his ideas or way of thinking on alot of things. I hardly feel that by not caring what a certain person thinks defines ones religion. Its quite obvious that you are into Christian bashing but if you want to bash me why don't you try and find something a little more substantial next time? GCJ

I am not a Christian, but I will say that I was moved my GemCityJoe's post. It was touching and his warm and caring nature comes through.

Whether or not you believe that prayers will be answered does not in any way detreact from the comfort so many obviously receive from them. The warmth and comfort that those who have faith derive from this simple act is indisputable.

You keep the faith, GemCityJoe, and if the spirit moves you, say a prayer for me. It can't hurt!

I don't bash Christians or anyone who has religious beliefs different than my own. I was struck by the viciousness of the retort and found it less than hospitable. No more to read into it than that. Check my stuff for further evidence. As my name is also "Joseph", I didn't feel your message at the time was in line. Humour seems to be a facet of our life that more and more people miss and that was how I took Jeremy's little missive. No hard feelings were meant, and if I angered you, then we're even. I did like the article, though, that was my original reason for checking it out. No drugs were involved in any part of my ramblings, but I did twist the head off a Barbie doll.

GCJ.... I know that there are times that the Lord, Jesus Christ, heals us when we are sick, there are times that He takes care of our needs and watches over us in times of trouble. But I would have to point out to you that Isaiah 53:5 is pointing to something much deeper than healing the hearts of the broken hearted or watching over the weak and the weary. It has more to do with the fact that we are saved because of Him. We are free because of Him!!
"But He was pierced through our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; The chastening for our well being fell upon Him, And by His scourging we are healed."

This is all to say quite simply that WE put Jesus on the cross. Our sins, our transgressions, our iniquities made it so that Jesus Christ would have to be scourged, beaten and whipped quite literally to a bloody pulp. So that Our Trespasses could be forgiven.

The message that you have written is very inlightening and is a good comforting tribute to Christ Jesus. But please do not take so lightly the power of the message that is conveyed in Isaiah 53:5

God Bless

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